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[tresjolie9]

I'm sorry, Tonight's Lost episode, What Kate Does, did not live up to my heightened expectations for for this show. Partially because I've never liked Kate, partially because they are making the exact same mistake they did during the first half of season three. focusing on Kate, Jack, and Sawyer,and their adventures after being captured by "The Others." Those three in zoo cages is really not something I want to remember! It was a particularly low point of the show, and a number of Lost fans I knew ended up giving up completely. Not that I'm giving up on Lost, but I miss this show having a larger ensemble, and hate it when they focus on those three characters.

Poison pill? Tea? Really? I thought Lost was above things like the James Bond "shall I sip the champaigne?" cliche.

Why does this show love Kate? The character is dull, we know just about everything there is to know about her. Watching her escape the cops, and prove that she is the bad girl with a heart of gold once again? They might as well flush an episode down the toilet. Although on the other hand, if she were portrayed by a tougher actress, I'm thinking someone like Eliza Dushku, would I like the character any more?

Must so much be devoted to the Kate/Sawyer/Jack ship? Watching Lost for the 'ships, is like going to an exotic place on vacation, then eating McDonalds and staying in your hotel watching TV the entire time. Yes, I know that Sawyer is depressed over losing Juliette, but emo Sawyer just seems wrong and is a waste of the limited number of episodes this show has left.

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[velvetgunpowder.livejournal.com]

Heh. I agree... though I wasn't disappointed by this episode in the least. If you look at all the parallels to the cage episodes so many loathed you can try to piece together what's happening next. I am really loving the flash "betweens" and the more Kate/Sawyer/Jack in this episode the more room for Richard Alpert/Locke/Ben/anyone else who is actually interesting next week. Plus I like to see a little Sayid restraint now and again...

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

Good point about getting Kate/Jack/Sawyer out of the way, so that they can focus on characters who people like more.

[filigod.livejournal.com]

I'm fine with the Sawyer/Juliet aftermath, as it seems real and earned (always thought it was kind of BS how Claire didn't really even cry after Charlie drowned). And JH's performance was enough to make it worthwhile for me. Also, I think they're setting Sawyer up to behave differently in grief than he might otherwise have done, thereby furthering the on-Island plot.

BUT I cannot agree more about Kate. We needed to see her on the lam again like we needed yet another flashback to Juliet detonating the bomb. This theme is OLD AND TIRED and nothing they can do can breathe life back into it. Fine, spend time on Kate, I understand they consider her central, but spend it on-Island, or keep her sideflash scenes brief and introduce something new in them.

And I don't think the actress is the problem - we've seen her do challenging scenes and she's more than up to it - it's BAD WRITING, as it has been from day one with this character. Why do they find her so hard to write?

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

JH's performance was amazing, but I don't watch Lost to see people's emotional reactions to deaths. I would have preferred a good round of snark between Whatever has turned into Locke/Ben.

I think you are right on the bullet about "on the lam" Kate, it is old and tired and has been done to death.

My issue is whether or not the character might have been more interesting if the character were just a tiny bit tougher.

[likendlessrain.livejournal.com]

I'm here through lost_tv and I want to say I pretty much totally agree, that's exactly how I felt about this episode! The stupid Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle has been going on WAY too long. It was finally done, and then Juliet had to die...bah!

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

The Jack/Sawyer/Kate triangle was one of my major issues with the show season three, I was so glad when they brought it up, and hoped that we would never hear of it again.

[likendlessrain.livejournal.com]

yes! me too!! they should listen to the fans - we don't want it!

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

The unfortunate thing is that there are too many fans who tune in for the ship, and as I said above, Lost is not the kind of show you watch for a ship.

[likendlessrain.livejournal.com]

yeah and that is too bad.

[conscience.livejournal.com]

I agree. The Kate character is very over-done at this point.
She murdered someoneand is on the run.
We *know* that by now, from the past gazillion eps where they showed us this.

Also...Sayid *crying* after being "tortured"? Is it just me, or does his torture (which to a torturer, the things he went through seemed pretty low key) leave him a bit TOO upset for the Sayid who has been tough as nails for the past how many seasons? He was ANNOYINGLY whiny about the whole thing. I've never heard this actor's voice being so high and almost...*needy*. What's up with that?

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

They have been cramming Kate down our throats for the past six seasons, we didn't learn anything new about her character, and at this point, there is nothing new to learn about her character. She is played out completely.

I was a bit taken aback by Sayid crying after being tortured. He has been so bad ass, tough as nails, and a torturer himself to the point where I expected more out of seeing him on the other side of things. With a character like Sayid, I would expect a certain stoicism, knowing exactly what is happening, and being completely unaffected by it.

On the other hand, with the new direction the character is taking, perhaps there is a reason for his crying? Maybe he was doing it deliberately to prove a point that his heart isn't now dark.

[conscience.livejournal.com]

*nods*
Kate is tough when she wants to hit someone with a gun, wants both Jack and Sawyer, wants a kid...but runs, runs, runs away from her problems. Ugh.

You have a GREAT point about Sayid. Shock and dismay about "being tortured". A WTF moment for him?

Im just hoping they arent making the characters Caricatures of themselves in this season.
RE: Sawyer being extra badass, Sayid being the wounded soldier, Kate being extra-frantic Runaway, Jack being extra sensitive.

So far, I love watching Lost while it's on to see what we'll uncover, but after I digest things, it's been a case of..."WHAT are they writing this drivel for?"

Seems like they are trying too hard to go out with a bang, and losing the "mystery" aspect in the process.

And it's such a tease for a Locke fan like me, to see Locke being...not-Locke. Though, the acting has been stellar.

[tresjolie9.livejournal.com]

Sorry for the HTML Fail

*nods*
Kate is tough when she wants to hit someone with a gun, wants both Jack and Sawyer, wants a kid...but runs, runs, runs away from her problems. Ugh.

Another issue with it is that in her years on the island, she hasn't really developed all that much. She is still the girl who has a gun and always runs away from her problems.



*nods*
Kate is tough when she wants to hit someone with a gun, wants both Jack and Sawyer, wants a kid...but runs, runs, runs away from her problems. Ugh.

Another issue with it is that in her years on the island, she hasn't really developed all that much. She is still the girl who has a gun and always runs away from her problems.

You have a GREAT point about Sayid. Shock and dismay about "being tortured". A WTF moment for him?

I just hope they don't go too far down the road of "Sayid now has a dark soul, he isn't the Sayid you knew and loved."

Im just hoping they arent making the characters Caricatures of themselves in this season.
RE: Sawyer being extra badass, Sayid being the wounded soldier, Kate being extra-frantic Runaway, Jack being extra sensitive.

Interesting point because the show has been on so long, they have explored all there is to explore about those characters, they are basically back in a similar situation to season one, so there really isn't anywhere else to take the characters besides turning them into caricatures. Part of the appeal of last season was the addition of three new characters, Miles, Faraday, and Charlotte, who worked, and breathed new life into the show.

I know this show has the whole "no one is safe," thing going but killing Faraday, Charlotte, Juliette, and now Locke off was a huge mistake. This show is extremely dependent on character exploration, and they have no characters left to explore. The characters who are still on have been done to death. Honestly, would have been better if Kate were the one to have set off the bomb, leaving Juliette alive!

So far, I love watching Lost while it's on to see what we'll uncover, but after I digest things, it's been a case of..."WHAT are they writing this drivel for?"

Part of what kept things interesting last season was that it seemed like they had an end in site, but now this season it seems like "last season, time to start tying up loose ends."

Seems like they are trying too hard to go out with a bang, and losing the "mystery" aspect in the process.

Or digging themselves deeper in the "mystery," aspect to the point where people start to wonder if this show was being written like say Babylon 5, where the writers had plans for characters all along, or if they are just winging it as the show goes on?


And it's such a tease for a Locke fan like me, to see Locke being...not-Locke. Though, the acting has been stellar

Terry O'Quinn's acting has been stellar, as Not Locke, but I miss present day Locke on the Island. Things just aren't the same without original recipe John Locke, one of the show's most likable and complex characters.